What would you do if you started one of the hottest rock’n’roll bands of the 1970s? Ride the gravy train of fortune, fame, and fawning groupies as far as it would go? Or drop out and forge your own path as an independent musician?

The latter way was the one taken by David Knopfler, who founded Dire Straits — which he says was always intended to be a “cult band” — and with his brother Mark watched it climb rapidly to fame with the hit “Sultans of Swing.” But it wasn’t long before he parted ways with the band and chose the route of independent self-production. Better known in Europe than the US, Knopfler has stuck faithfully to his musical vision, producing a number of well-received CDs full of songs that may never be destined for the Top 40, but that reflect his unique musical and lyrical style — while mixing in more political and spiritual flavors than you usually get from radio airplay.

In this exclusive Fearless interview, David Knopfler talks about how he became an indie musician, why he prefers to stick to his alternative path, and how he’s been doing with the I Ching lately. D. Patrick Miller

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I’ve read that you started writing songs when you quite young, but you didn’t know if you were supposed to do that so you would call your songs “traditionals.” How long did it take you to realize that songwriters were “allowed”?
LOL. It’s true — I used to go to the school folk club with my songs when I was only 13 or so and say “this is a traditional folk song” and sing it with a bad Irish accent to disguise the real source. The school was prone to dishing out punishments for anything creative that didn’t fit with expectation — I just followed the logic and figured the folk club was probably much the same. I didn’t really escape that gravity until I moved 300 miles south to go to college at 18, where authorship no longer seemed something liable to induce vengeful punishment. In some ways it’s taken me decades to come clean and make honest work — and still to this day, sometimes I find myself wanting to hide behind my work and deny the more biographical aspects. Trust the tale, not the teller.

How did the original Dire Straits get its start?
I was sharing a flat with the bass player, who had taken to rehearsing with a singularly loud punk band of an evening. The only solution I could conceive to the racket was to wean him back to something more in keeping with what I liked. So I told my brother I’d found the perfect bass player for our duets, and introduced my brother to my flat mate.

By 1980, before the hit Dire Straits album “Brothers in Arms,” you had dropped out of the band to pursue a solo and very independent career. What were some of the factors behind this decision? Do you ever regret the route you’ve chosen?
I left for the same reasons everyone leaves jobs that are no longer fulfilling their hopes and aspirations. I didn’t see myself spending the rest of my life being a strummer for someone else’s dreams. Whatever the opposite of regret is best describes how I’ve always felt about that decision — it opened me up to a million creative opportunities I needed to experience away from the bullshit and distorting mirrors that fame engenders.

Your music is better known in Europe than the US. Is the US musical scene more corporate and radio hit-driven than in Europe? Do you think you’d have a harder time as an independent here in the US?
I’m pretty much below the radar of commercial visibility everywhere, though the US is indeed the place I’ve sadly most neglected. The Clear Channel syndrome of pay-for-play, hard marketing-driven commerciality has an effect too — but it’s been largely a situation of my own making. I didn’t really want to spend months and months away from my wife and son in the late 80s and 90s touring — I’d seen the price paid for that in too many other people’s marriages — and I was making a pretty decent living selling 70,000 to 100,000 albums per release instead of millions. So why sign your name in blood for more? It seemed like a sensible arrangement for me. I didn’t sell large numbers of records and the record company paid advances they rarely recouped. The business has lost the facility to accommodate such anomalies now — margins are squeezed — and sales are crucified by combinations of CDRs, online downloads, an ever increasing volume of product exceeding demand and so forth. Now I’m having to live with sales of around 50,000 per album — but I’m pretty content with my place in the general scheme of things, even if it’s meant I don’t drive a fancy car and can’t afford grand vacations.

How do you finance and manage your career as an independent? Do you do everything yourself, just like most sole proprietors in any line of work?
KNOPFLER: I took the process of doing as much myself as I could like a duck to water. I set up my own label and publishing, etc, and it was a fun learning curve two decades ago. In the early days I really enjoyed the freedoms it offered because I was happy to work the long hours as long as I was working from home a lot. Now that I’m staring down the barrel of the last act of my life, I’m less excited about control and solo effort, and I resent the way the business aspects interfere with my space for creative writing. So I much prefer to get help and support from anyone generous enough to offer it. Last November, however, in a fit of sheer bloody mindedness I put together a mini-tour of California — which was so much fun to do. I’d FAR prefer to have an agent take all that spade work from me. I don’t take “no” for an answer very readily though.

My impression of the music scene is that almost everyone starts out as an “independent” and then gives up more and more independence to achieve success. Is that how you see it?
KNOPFLER: That’s often the way it works, yes — though usually the small print of artistic careers contain lots of forced hands that get glossed over in the PR. As Oscar Wilde said: “I can resist anything except temptation.” There’s much false nobility in the margins. Many an Artist treading the lonely low road gives it up to get their name onto Meph’s global major contract.

What are some of your chief musical influences?
First and foremost Dylan for redefining what was permissible in the pop song. The influences are fairly predictable, as with most of us in the acoustic singer-songwriter tradition. I’m inclined to think that the 24th Century will have Dylan and Joni Mitchell as the two largest footnotes of the 20th Century. Then maybe we’ll also see in the secondary footnotes Van Morrison, Randy Newman, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Lowell George and so on. Wish I could be there to see it.

What would you tell a young musician about breaking into the business? Can one go independent from the start and find a way to make a living as well as good music?
Yes, but to learn the craft properly — integrate it with your own artistry and vision — there are probably no shortcuts if you want to be more than just an entertainer. I don’t know to what extent someone can BECOME an artist — you either are or you aren’t — and if you are you’ll HAVE to make your way to some kind of sickly light, no matter how terrible the soil you were seeded in... your nature will out somehow. If you feel driven and compelled to make your work and to be fiercely original and have something unique to say, in a compelling way, then chances are the helpers will be there for you... the doors will open some, the ice will crack. You just have to be sufficiently driven not to give up, even when you’re feeling about as popular as Vincent Van Gogh did when the good people of Arles sent him packing. The low road is a life choice, so it’s no good whining if having chosen it, you find it’s exactly as described: stoney, difficult, unappreciated, and so on. You just have to love what you do, and do it obsessionally, and then maybe in a decade or so you’ll notice you’re getting better than you used to be. That’s reward enough. It’s not for butterflies.

Besides your work in music, you also write poetry and create art. Have you always had diverse interests, or did some of them develop before or after music? How do they work for or against each other?
I’m pretty hopeless at fine art — it’s a noodling hobby — and I doubt if I were offered a perfect exhibition space I could fill it in even another decade. I may be naive, but the poetry I still hold out some hope for. I’ve been getting pretty focused about that recently, and even considered doing a masters degree to polish up the craft. I’ve been pretty lucky in that I seem to have found people online who are willing to constructively tear it apart for me, and indicate its weaknesses. There’s nothing like doing something wrong to learn how it might be done better. I’m now at the stage of being quite frequently, jaw-droppingly impressed by the artistry of other people’s poetry. I always liked the magic of poetry but now I’m just starting to see behind the curtain of even the best poets, how they’ve used, tried and tested craft to create the illusion. Wonderful feeling of exhilaration to finally be there.

Your music has quite a few spiritual references. What is your spiritual background and experience, and do you consider music to be a spiritual path in itself?
Actually I feel like I’m stepping into a place of spiritual contemplation every time I enter a studio; it’s always had a certain magic to me that has never worn off with familiarity. My faith, inasmuch as I have any, is more like a kind of Joseph Campbell thing, and even that frequently finds itself tested to oblivion in siren waters. The biblical stuff has somehow found its way into my work because it contains a rich mix of symbolism, metaphor, archetypes; in short, it resonates, and it’s already survived centuries of quick expediencies. God save us all from being too fresh!

Also, I’ve been doing the I Ching pretty much all my life, though I’m a rather poor practitioner of its tougher precepts. I’m not even sure how feasible it is to live in the real world in such monkish fashion. Somewhat childishly, it peeves me whenever I don’t get special dispensation from the higher powers, even though it’s blindingly obvious that’s not how it works. I just keep asking with increased irritation — come on guys, can’t they do this one simple miracle I need!? ;) Then when that fails, having refused to accept the discipline required of the answer I don’t like. . . I’ll sulk and slump. My faith will also slide sometimes to the edge of extinction, then something seemingly inexplicable will happen, like a dream that then materialises in reality the next day — and I’ll be back wide eyed and fascinated, excited again.

I’d make a terrible practitioner of any religion in any formal setting. In general I’m just as happy to light candles in a church of any denomination — I wasn’t raised with any religion (unless my father’s Marxism counts) but I’m able to feel the hushed reverence of a cathedral, like the childhood memories of visiting an art gallery or a library. I’ve always liked those architectural spaces that have silent guardians in uniforms ready to say “hush!” to us poor plebs.


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For more information about David Knopfler, see his website at www.knopfler.com.
Photos taken by D. Patrick Miller at Club Fox, Redwood City, May 2013.
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